Sunday, May 9, 2010

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I agree with Obama administration: Holder: AZ Immigration Law Not Racist: "I don't think it's racist in its motivation. But I think the concern I have is how it will be perceived and how it perhaps could be enacted, how it could be carried out. I think we could potentially get on a slippery slope where people will be picked on because of how they look as opposed to what they have done, and that is I think something that we have to try to avoid at all costs."

How queen gets last word on UK election

The little pill that could cure alcoholism and other addictions.

Annie Sprinkle: MY CONVERSATION WITH AN ANTI-PORN FEMINIST. I am amazed by how proud the anti-porn woman is that she doesn't know any men well. I forget the internet term for people like her, people who profess great care for something and show great ignorance of it.

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  1. If two men spoke to each other in a public forum the way Annie Sprinkle and the anti-porn woman did, and they were sufficiently public figures that anybody paid attention, the degree of public censure that would be directed at them would be *nuclear*.

    It's unfortunate that feminists like this one are so blind to the effects of their rhetoric. This kind of hatred, expressed as if it were just sort of an intellectual position, is particularly bad because so many innocent bystanders are caught in the crossfire.

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  2. I find the Annie Sprinkle/Mae Tyme conversation fascinating. I don't bear Mae Tyme any ill will for her lack of interest in men, although I feel a little sorry for her in her undifferentiated hostility toward them, it doesn't particularly surprise me or even offend me.

    What I find most interesting is the way she reflects a lot of commonly held mythology about pornography, and how Annie Sprinkle manages to refute, or at least rebut, a lot of that mythology (whether Mae accepts Annie's refutation or not).

    I'm rather surprised by Ted Lemon's assessment of the discussion, and I'll just say I don't agree at all. I didn't feel a lot of hatred in the dialogue (and certainly not from Annie Sprinkle); mostly a range from indifference to suspicion on the part of Mae Tyme. But again, that neither particularly offended nor surprised me.

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  3. "I forget the internet term for people like her, people who profess great care for something and show great ignorance of it."

    U*Us. . . :-)

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  4. DairyStateDad, when the population of the immediate world around you is composed of a fifty-fifty mix of members of two different groups, and you are able to state with confidence that you have not had enough conversation with members of one of those groups to have any idea at all how they think, yet you are able to go into great detail about what sort of people they are, that's hatred.

    If the population of your town is fit percent white and fifty percent black, and you have never had a meaningful conversation with a person with different skin. color, how could that have happened other than through hatred? why would it be any different when the split is between men and women? What would you call a person who said "I never talk to white people. I'm just not that interested in what they think?" Now, substitute "black" for "white." The sentence reads a bit differently, but most people reading it would see it as a bigoted statement, whichever word was used. Substitude in "men" for "white people" and suddenly it's unremarkable.

    It's fortunate that the latest generation of feminists seems not to have been victimized enough to have this degree of hatred. It gives me hope for the future. But when I read statements like Ms. Tyme's, they just give me the willies.

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  5. BTW, sorry about the spelling and punctuation errors--unfortunately, the iPad user interface still needs a bit of work...

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  6. I'm anti-porn sex-positive humanist. I think sex is wonderful, but we should really only be involved with our own, irrespective of gender.

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  7. For the record, I think there're some seriously awful things produced to make a buck, and most (not all) of it can be blamed on capitalism: the consumers of the stuff I despise are obsessed with power fantasies, and its producers value money more than people. On the other hand, bodies are beautiful and most people know the difference between fantasy and reality, so I'm either pro-porn or anti-porn, depending on what you say is porn. Hmm. As in, consensual adult activities are no one else's business, but if there's any element of coercion involved, including emotional manipulation and economic desperation, it's not consensual.

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  8. Ted
    1) I didn't notice any spelling/punctuation errors :-)

    2) I understand your point, but I guess I see it a bit differently. I don't defend the hostility that Mae Tyme expresses. But I do think there are fundamentally two kinds of inter-group hostility -- which I will call, for ease of discussion here, bigotry.

    One is basically private, and non-oppressive. Mae Tyme's indifference toward men is sad to me, but it has no particular everyday impact on me and puts no practical limitations on how I live my life. Nor, I venture to say, would it have so on any men, as she simply avoids them -- except, perhaps, in their head-space as they contemplate her remarks.

    The other kind of inter-group hostility, or bigotry, is public and oppressive, in which one group acts to directly try to control another group based on group identity (race, class, gender, sexual orientation and others). So if Ms. Tyme were in some kind of power position in which she could act out her hostility to men in a way that sought to control men (or even a single man) beyond simply asserting her own personal boundaries, I would view it differently.

    I think these distinctions are important, because, while the attitudes reflected in the first category of bigotry are (again) sad and unhelpful, it is the second category that is fundamentally unjust and requires the community to intervene and correct.

    The first category can only be dealt with by a change in the human heart, ultimately from within. The second can be remedied by social action. Given the limits of all of us, I believe that we are best served by focusing on that.

    It's part of what I see embedded in the Serenity Prayer (which I might not be quoting verbatim): "God grant me the serenity to accept the things that I cannot change, the courage to change the things I can, and the wisdom to distinguish one from the other."

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  9. Ted, dittoing DSD's first point.

    DSD, I think Ted and, to a lesser degree, I took some offense to Mae Tyme's strong opinions about patriarchy, a group she admitted she knew nothing about, which sounded to me as if she would happily replace one repressive hierarchy with another. Now, I admit I've had my doubts about the concept of patriarchy since I saw Margaret Thatcher in action, so I may be having a purely kneejerk reaction. I certainly agree that lesbian separatists are entitled to be separatists, just as black separatists are. When people have been oppressed for stupid reasons, some of them are going to accept the divisions of their oppressors, and all we can do is pity them for that.

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  10. or else you build the the Brontesaurus.

    Blue Jean that is Awesome.

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