Tuesday, March 26, 2019

Four hard questions for people who want reparations for slavery

1. How do you justify giving money to poor black people while ignoring 3/4 of the people in poverty?

2. How does a person prove they're ADOS (American Descendants of Slavery)? The historical records are incomplete, especially for people who were freed before the Civil War.

3. Does the one-drop rule apply? If so, a great many white people will be having DNA tests to see if they can get free money.

4. Do the descendants of rich black slaveowners like William Ellison get reparations?

Related: Answering #ADOS: The problem with reparations and King's better solution

What Americans Think About Reparations And Other Race-Related Questions | FiveThirtyEight. Reparations are unpopular with every group except for black Americans, and even a large minority of black people reject the idea.

18 comments:

  1. How should their reparations compare to the reparations Native Americans should get?

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    1. Poor people are poor for different historical reasons, but they're all poor. Give them all Basic Income.

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    2. Without anybody needing to qualify. Just do it.

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    3. Separate issue, but Native Americans who were not already properly compensated should are due compensation.

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  2. These are easy questions. Poverty was passed down from generation to generation starting with Slavery. Poor whites have always had opportunity that poor American Descendants of Slavery hasn't. You are administering Justice.
    2. The USA has complete records of our lineage. As does each state. I would advise going to the Latter Day Saints. They have vaults with this information.
    3. American Descendants of Slavery go by lineage not blood and we come in many shades and colors. For example the actor Ty Burrell is an American Descendant of Slavery. No the one drop rule doesn't work.
    4. We are American Descendants of Slavery so why would they not? I suspect this question is meant to harm the request that our debt be paid. We do not look at anamolies with our claim.

    It is important to know that I am 1 person out of about 39 million people and I speak for myself only.

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    1. 1. Are you saying poor whites, Hispanics, Asians, and Native Americans deserve to be poor because of their "opportunity"?

      2. No, the US does not have complete records. See http://www.pbs.org/genealogy-roadshow/genealogy-tips/slave-research/

      3. Then what rule does apply? Remember: "24 percent of Americans listed in 1970 as "white" probably had African ancestors, while more than 80 percent of those listed as "black" had non-African ones, which implies that there were nearly twice as many white as black Americans of African descent." --Karen and Barbara Fields, Racecraft

      4. These are not anomalies. In the US, to be a slave, your mother had to have been a slave, but to own a slave, you only had to have the money to buy one. Remember that one of the most famous cases establishing the principle of slavery involved Anthony Johnson, a black slaveowner.

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  3. 1. You're not giving money to poor black people. You're providing restitution for money STOLEN from all black families through misappropriation of tax funds, redlining, involuntary servitude, opportunity cost, and ethnic cleansings from 1776-1970. These weren't happenstance, but government policy at the state and federal levels. Income should have nothing to do with it. Data suggests a causal relationship between state policy and a significant portion of the racial wealth gap

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    1. Actually from 1619 - 2019

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    2. You can only charge the government of the United States from the time it was in existence. I understand that in principle, America has existed since 1619. But this government has lasted since 1776. As far as until 2019, sure blacks (among a few other non immigrant demographics) have been treated as a permanent underclass, but it's easier to prove that it was codified under law until about 1967.

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    3. It's odd to say blacks are a "permanent" underclass after more white people voted for a black President than had voted for a Democrat since Jimmy Carter.

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  4. 2. I personally think the term ADOS is problematic for exactly the reason you suggested. Census records on black folks is scant before 1870. 1945 seems to be a reasonable cut off date for affectees of racist state sanctioned policy. If you can prove your ancestry to back then, you should be entitled to compensation.

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  5. 3. No one should be getting free money. People who have a pattern of identification as black on the US census or people commonly identified as black by white people (codified in the supreme Court decision Ozawa vs the USA, and the Deed Scott decision) who meet all other criteria should quality.

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    1. Just like any case the victims winning the judgement would be awarded restitution.

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  6. 4. The probably should receive reparations. I don't see the need to distinguish. Statistical anamoly aside, they were enslaved under US or state policy and generations later they were subject to the same racist laws as other black people at the time.

    Seeing that black tax money would find this solution as well, I don't see the need to split hairs for a few statistical aberrations.

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    1. Anthony Johnson's situation is relevant. He was treated as an indentured servant, yet he went to court to establish that he owned John Casor.

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    2. You're using isolated cases to discredit legalized discrimination of millions of people. even so, Anthony Johnson was a subject of the British empire, not the government of USA.

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    3. I completely agree that freed slaves should've gotten a mule and 40 acres in 1865. Trying to do reparations now is only possible if you can come up with a mechanism that does not wave away any examples.

      King wanted to end poverty, which disproportionately affected black folks. That's why his solution was simple and universal: Basic Income.

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    4. I just shared this on FB and Twitter:

      What offends me most about bourgeois black fans of reparations like Coates is they live in luxury and push for a program that will give them even more while it only helps 1/4 of the Americans in poverty.

      King wanted Basic Income because it ended poverty.

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